Lightboard Lessons: CPU Hyper-Threads and TMM

Hi Jason,

Great Video! Finally a topic regarding HT on lightboard! (can't wait to share this out :) )

I had a question though, so after 11.5, if even cores exceed 80% and let's say the load to CPU is still increasing, how bigip will allocate load? Will it first use tmm0 until it reaches 100% and then to tmm1 to use that 80%? Or will bigip distribute the load to tmm1 once tmm0 exceed 80%?

Thanks!

Hi Jason,

I second zack opinion - great video. Now CPU/HT/TMM is plain and simple :-) Thanks a lot for extending your explanations from from our Answer section to this video.

I am as well interested to know answer to zack's question.

Piotr

Hey Jason,

Great video. Explains visually on what we were discussing on Relation between CPU , core and TMM

Also I can see the Idle enforcer:

Hey Jason,

Great video. Explains visually on what we were discussing on Relation between CPU , core and TMM

Also I can see the Idle enforcer:

Great question Zack. The disaggregator (or DAG as we call it, also referenced as the cmp hash) distributes load to all TMMs as requests come in by vlan (configurable in vlan advanced settings 11.3+, see notes in K14358 linked above on CMP), rather than fill one bucket and move to the next. So you should see all TMMs grow together. If you have the default cmp hash and an application that has same src/dst ports (like ntp), that can overwhelm a single TMM if traffic is heavy for that application as all the traffic will be hashed to the same TMM.

Thanks Jason,

Excellent video.

Sachin

Hi,

I wonder how info in the thread that was trigger for this lesson relates to vCMP and i5800.

In the thread issuing ps T | grep tmm | grep T rendered output.

I tried the same command on both vHost (i5800) and 2 vCPU vGuest - on both there was no output. When using just:

ps T | grep tmm

results are:

vHost (13.0.0.2.0.1671)

 8910 ?        S      0:00 runsv tmm
12846 ?        S      0:06 /usr/bin/tmipsecd --tmmcount 1
12848 ?        S      0:00 /etc/bigstart/scripts/tmm.start /var/run 1 1 1 --platform C119 -m -s 512
18071 ?        RL   544:29 /usr/bin/tmm --platform C119 -m -s 512
`

vGuest (12.1.1.1.0.196) 

` 4491 ?        S      0:00 runsv tmm
 4506 ?        S      0:00 /etc/bigstart/scripts/tmm.start /var/run 1 1 0 --platform Z101 --split-planes -m -s 8804
 7340 ?        S      0:07 /usr/bin/tmipsecd --tmmcount 1
10994 ?        S

So why nothing like in the thread? Only obvious fact is that HTSplit is disabled on vHost but enabled on vGuest (--split-planes).
I wonder as well what 11/11 means in this kern.log message:
info kernel: ltm driver: Idle enforcer starting - tid: 12663 cpu: 11/11
Looking at picture in K15003 active TMM on core 5 has id 10 so I can understand that first 11 is number of TMM activated after 80% threshold reached on TMM 10 but what second means? It would be easier to debug having info about physical core and TMM id like 5/11.
Can you point me to some resources about how to find out reason for high CPU and RAM usage on vGuest? Seems that Dashboard data for vGuest is not in pair with CPU load reported on vHost in vCMP  ››  Guest List.
Piotr

Another are I am really lost. Performance statistics.

Let's assume i5800 is used for vCMP. It's 1 x quad core HT procesor. As far as I am not completely lost it means:

• 1 physical processor - id 0
• 4 physical cores - id 0-3
• 8 virtual cores - id 0, 1 per physical core, or 0-7 per processor?
• 1 TMM process - id 0 (some articles are confusing using interchangeable process and instance - for example K14358. In table we have TMM Process and TMM thread, then later on in description "For example, starting in BIG-IP 11.3.0, the BIG-IP 8950 platform runs two TMM processes, one for each CPU. Each process creates four separate TMM threads. The following ps output shows two separate TMM instances that are running on the BIG-IP 8950 system. Each TMM is executing four thread contexts (-T 4):"
• 4 TMM threads, id 0, 2, 4, 6

cat /proc/cpuinfo uses this therminology:

• processor - 0-7 = virtual core
• physical id - 0 = physical porcessor
• core id - 0-3 = physical core

Part I don't get is all statistic info available on BIG-IP. Let's start with vHost on i5800

---------------------------
Sys::TMM: 0.65535
---------------------------
Global
  TMM Process Id      18071
  Running TMM Id      65535
  TMM Count               1
  CPU Id              65535

Memory (bytes)
  Total              406.0M
  Used                94.3M

CPU Usage Ratio (%)
  Last 5 Seconds          3
  Last 1 Minute           3
  Last 5 Minutes          3

So one TMM (process?) 0. Why two ids, what is difference between TMM Process Id and Running TMM Id and why CPU id is 65535 not 0?

What CPU Usage Ratio (%) is reporting here - total processor usage (so all physical/virtual cores)?

I assume it's the same value as reported by:

snmpwalk -c public localhost .1.3.6.1.4.1.3375.2.1.8.2.3.1.37

Is Statistics ›› Performance > System > CPU Utilization with one line labeled Utilization GUI counterpart for commands above?

Then in Statistics ›› Performance > System > CPU Utilization: View Detailed Graph, there are two graphs each for four CPU - 0-3 and 4-7 - so it's reporting virtual core - right?

Seems that counterpart in CLI is

tmsh show sys cpu

tmsh show sys host-info

For HTSplit enabled system is that safe to assume that stats for even numbered CPU are in fact CPU utilization caused by TMM threads - so CPU 0, 2, 4, 6 is TMM utilization for conditions under 80%?

CPU 1, 3, 5, 7 is CPU utilization by Control plane tasks - right?

How then CPU utilization for situation with TMM thread/s with load > 80% can be checked? In such situation part of CPU utilization is on even CPU, part on odd CPU - graph is not showing info which part on odd CPU is control plane and which is data plane.

Are there any tools (GUI or CLI) that are providing exact CPU utilization (virtual core utilization) per TMM thread?

Last but not least what exactly is reported by Dashboard CPU section? What is CPU here:

• physical core
• virtual core (CPU on Performance graphs)
• physical core
• TMM process
• TMM thread

If this is virtual core reported here is there some difference for a way it's reported fot vCMP than for non vCMP systems? Like there could be much higher usage reported for busiest CPU?

And really last 🙂

What can be cause for big difference between busiest CPU and least busy? Assuming that statistically DAG distributes connections in equal share between TMM threads then big difference should rarely happen - or I am wrong?

Piotr

that's a lot to digest! Let me dig in and I'll get back to you.

Sorry, for that, my bad I am really curious creature :-), take your time, I really appreciate time and effort required to answer such questions.

Piotr